I mostly use DxO which does not use the subscription model. The camera profiles are automatically updated without having to buy a newer version, and it creates simple sidecar files that store your adjustments in the same directory as the image file. I'm not computer-phobic but after 25 years of sitting in front of a monitor I want to spend more time taking photos, printing them and selling them and less time trying to figure out software. So between this Photoshop and the one that's on the CC close captioned subscription, this version is faster because it has elements from what I'm seeing!
Do you mean 8-bit? During the import, you can do some minor adjustments like rotate straighten a horizon , modify contrast and exposure, and a few other things, and retain the bit file. But most of the Elements function convert the file to 8-bit. For that reason, I seldom use Elements. I won't use cripple-ware. Thank you for clarifying. Don't understand why people keep on using Lightroom or Photoshop Raw to convert raw files Try Capture One, or anyone of the good raw converters! Also because Lightroom is a workflow manager first, image processor second.
I don't need absolute sharpness in my shots, nor do I spend a lot of time adding layers and effects in Photoshop. I just need to be able to make minor exposure, white balance and colour corrections, remove aberrations and occasionally correct the lens distortion and perspective. Essentially something that allows me to correct a raw file in seconds. This is what Lightroom does well. I may not be very fond of Lightroom due to its heavy resource usage and the absurd subscription model pricing that makes it infeasible if you're not shooting professionally, but nobody else had come up with a better workflow management software.
Thermidor Have you used Capture One? Have you compared the files that it produces to those produced by Lightroom? You simply cannot sharpen or adjust details that are not present in your converted file. If you go by the preview of the RAW file that you get in Lightroom, then the converted file will resemble what you were expecting, not knowing that your file was much richer in detail than what you got.
Anyhow, I wish I had switched from Lightroom to C1 much, much sooner Lightroom has a good flow, that's sure. Capture One comes close, but Process is still the best for control of highlights and shadows. Color and rendition of fine detail without haloing and crunchy artifacts are as good as it gets. Yeah, I wanted to try Capture One, but its price is way beyond my budget. If you're living in a Third World country, that is a ton of money.
It's a terrible program for managing workflows, even if the interface looks like Lightroom at a glance. Everything just chugs along. Money always gets in the way. Do the trial version for free for 1 month. It doesn't leave watermarks or anything dumb like that. I can't really comment much on the "workflow" aspect. Adobe can continue to court customers with cheesy new features but they have driven away a solid portion of their user base with heavy handed "we own the customer" business practices.
None of this silly garbage is going to lure me back. Oooh how about a feature that automatically adds fun hats to everyone in the photo! I certainly never felt like I wasn't getting enough sharpness and detail in my raw files until on my X-Pro 2, which can be pretty bad, especially at high ISO. I'm currently trying out Iridient X-Transformer and am impressed with the results. But as it is, I rarely need to work with raw files on the X-Pro 2. I hate Silkypix, but the few times I need to use it isn't too detrimental to my overall workflow.
I'm holding off on iridient for now as Fuji is promising a new in-camera RAW conversion system next month. You cannot correct distortion for images on getty. Or maybe, you cannot use lenses with distortion, and it is mandatory to correct it. Hard to know which really. Time to update Lightroom, Adobe, that's what we pay subscriptions for. Unfortunately Import only seems to run on a single core. Well, Intel will be happy that Adobe entices forces customers to still put money into CPUs with high single-core performance.
Import is damn slow. I had no idea that was because of single core import limitations. Whatever the case, Adobe really need to update Lightroom. I am just trying the Auto Curate function on my whole library. It only uses 2 CPU cores and thus takes its time. Meanwhile I am testing various other photo management applications with face recognition, but most of those I tested yet only make use of a single CPU core during image analysis, too.
No indication how long it's going to take or how far it is into the process. You really only even know that it's busy, because clicking a second time on Auto Curate not marked yet pops up a windows that tells you so. Turns out that Elements only uses threads for face recognition. So no real advancement from Lightroom. Why should they bother to update important features like that.
Adobe unveils Photoshop Elements 2018: Can open closed eyes, find your best photos and more
They already have you on the hook and they don't really care to take all the time to make real changes to their applications. The only way to get Adobe to change is to leave them. Fortunately their arrogance has opened the field to a number of very nice alternatives. Look around and ask why you're paying monthly for this kind of "performance". I am looking around, but unfortunately none of the alternatives gets face recognition right.
The best alternative remains to be Picasa, which is software that is not supported anymore but still works. There are a growing number of catalog-free alternatives that can actually work on existing files without having to go through some laborious catalog building step first. I like the catalogue. But I am curious, which software recognizes faces and writes the face and person data directly into RAW files?
Usually AutoContrast produces over-contrasty scenes, AutoColor unnatural colors and so on with few coincidal exceptions. And in the end I do it manually Adobe sees no point in fixing bugs in these programs - unless severe ones possibly. I took the time to report quite a few and my messages were ignored. Obviously you have to buy the next version in order to maybe get a bug fix. I wonder if they still have the absurd mis-translations to German language in PE The moment had to be created. People were adjusting exposure post-hoc and completing other post-processing from the very early days of development.
Sometimes, if there was no moment, you may have to create it from two "almost moments": Sounds like a good idea to me. This feature is mainly aimed at family and group photos. Then a pair of closed eyes might be the difference between failure and success. A portrait photographer cannot really sell a group photo where one has closed eyes. That is a bit more devious, or maybe fun? I'm still on both Elements and Lightroom. Prefer the editing of Lightroom, but for organizing and tagging, still not found a way to beat Elements.
I wish the organization between the two could come together somehow Downloaded a trial version today I thought Adobe would but the latest Camera Raw plug-ins in their latest product. I can see the draw of returning to film. I enjoy taking the best photo I can without editing. If only film was more affordable to develop Classic use for "open eyes" occurred recently when taking a photo of my wife and her old school friend where I took eight shots.
All were perfect for my Canon PowerShot A apart from the eyes on phones or friend's husband's camera! Looking forward to "painless" subject extraction, open closed eyes as well as other improvements made since getting Photoshop Elements 6 ten years ago. I want to see this feature hit upstream. Perhaps one should pull out the old Instamatic. Welcome to AI and 'automate everything'.
Take away the 'thinking and memory' skill of the individual. No need to think, to remember, to maintain skill, to have motor skills. Soon the lamest photographer will have works of art. No need for skill or an eye for composition. It'll be the best fake masterpiece ever. Eventually every damn photo of particular scenes will look the same Intelligent AI at it's best And I wonder who will actually own the copyright for such a heavily modified piece of 'work' Will it be the 'AI machine' since the 'photo' was created by it?
It's almost a monkey vs human scenario. The AI 'thinks' therefore it 'is'. As someone who shoots a lot of outdoors-in-bright-sunshine portraiture, the open eyes tweak is a winner. I'm looking forward to a filter that replaces people in photos with better looking people. Can be the modernity but I strive to follow all this "virtual" photography, where latitude is artificial, focus is stacked, eyes are opened, bokeh is artificially rebuilded, photos are on the clouds Come to think about it, doesn't traditional painting produce a virtual result?
Lot of editing going on there. And yet people idolize it. Dump your camera, take up painting. Seriously Pondering this very move myself for quite some time now. Well, well, that software can opens eyes, but can it shut some mouths? If it could, I would be interested, and I bet a lot of married dudes would too. By the way, she asked me whether Alien Skin could enlarge some part of you - and we have no doubt you know what part we are talking about here - alas I fear this is just an unsatisfied wife's dream.
Technology has its limit too. I think the future is this: Software will then be able to extrapolate all kinds of photos any angle, any effect on-demand using input from multiple sensors. There will be absolutely no need for photographers - all you will need is access to the data and the machine will produce what you need and deliver to your device.
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I can see that happening for arena event photography. Can I assume that those who are currently using photographer's CCsubscription to LR and PS will have access to these features or is the "Elements" version offering some unique features? This a different product not included with cc. It is a family friendly software purchased in the traditional way i.
The best part about Elements is you can use it to as a plug-in host for Nik. If a version ever stops working with Nik then buh-bye. PSE doesn't have that problem, and I can say it's a better host program for Nik. I believe the objective is remove as much of the human element or skill learning as possible. Just take the pic and the AI software will try to make it the perfect picture.
No learning, skills etc necessary. Then jump in your self driving vehicle and head to the robo eatery. No driving skills, no cooking knowledge. However, I will admit that fixing closed eyes would be very helpful in our family pics. I suspect in the future you will have a small sensor on your hat that will automatically recognize a great pic and take it for you without any guidance. Eastman started the whole thing. All the professional photos were gritting their teeth, when this started. Although the costs were prohibitive to the common man, but it eventually came down.
Kodak marketed and sold the Instamatic , in approximately , and this was another example if dumbing down the photographic experience. Eventually a person will be able th take a photograph. As far as opening closed eyes, as When I shot a group, I always shot 4,5 or six pix, to find one with al the eyes opened in all the subjects.
The more people that look good, the more sales are made. People seldom buy pix of themselves with the eyes closed. The perfect alternative is to have eyes tatood on their eyelids. I have used Elements for many years, but I am not a fan of the direction this new edition is taking. I use Elements to crop, adjust lighting and contrast, and to adjust color temperature. And, that's about it. My Elements 11 edition does those things easily and quickly. But, these new, "features" in the edition sound like gimmicks that would just be in my way.
Starting with Elements 9, my rule of thumb has been to only bother upgrading every other, new addition. But, lately, I have been waiting on every other two supposed new additions. Following that path, I don't really feel I have missed anything. That's what is nice about being able to buy software, you only have to buy the version that works well for you. The cloud model just keeps changing every month. Adobe Elements has two advantages. Firstly it has a broad range of features that should satisfy most photographers professional or amateur ; designers are not as well-sereved. Secondly, the whole program is bought only once; it is not a wallet-robbing subscription.
Do the money-math, research the features and figure out what you need and what you don't need. Disregard the marketing ploys 'pro' v. Yes, 'opening the eyes' can be useful once in a while. Even the best photographers can have a wonderful pose with the eyes closed. As for picking the best for me, screw that.
As for auto-curation, screw that. Photographic success usually means careful consideration of composition, and "capturing the right moment" comes with practice and learned motor-skills. Don't hold on throwaways As for who wrote this article, please stop writing off press releases. I didn't realize how bloated or complicated PS has become, not having bought it for years until it was forced on me in order to get LR.
LaurenceSvirchev, when you say: Designers as in "website", heavy-duty manipulation for the fashion industry, advertising. For resolving color balance, cropping, removing artifacts,and other journeyman work, Elements is fine. For example, I do stage photography, jazz music. I'll also remove distracting lights on amplifiers.
You can see some of this work on www. The logo photo is actually two photos, each slightly resized and seamlessly combined in Elements. Thanks for asking and hope this helps. C1 is a very good developer but its cataloging features are in kindergarden compared to LR being in college.
Have you tried the later versions of C1? I don't miss anything in their cataloging. What features are you missing? And are you willing to pay for the rest of your life to access your own catalogs? Changing skies, turning a frowns upside down, opening closed eyes No curves adjustment layer.
You can make a gradient map adjustment layer and work your luma contrast like that, or install an additional plug-in. It's a pity they don't focus on core functionalities like that. Adobe, Why don't you fix Lightroom performance and support D first? Also, support macOS High Sierra!
You do know that developers have access to Beta programs and you could've been ahead of the actual release dates. As unbelievable as it may seem, Adobe can actually woke on more than one program at a time with multiple teams. Why is former faster than the latter, is beyond me I wold like to know if Elements can find out the sharpest shot from a bunch of continuous shooting pics. Also, if the series of images have the same framing, fixed exposure and focus, and a static subject, you can just look at file sizes. The sharpest image most detail will have the largest file size.
Just make sure you don't throw images with different apertures in the mix. Also, having high frequency objects on one side of the frame like a pine tree can skew the results, especially if you are hand-holding and your framing isn't perfectly fixed between shots. But seriously, I wonder if that feature on it's own is not already worth the price of the software. Could it be that people who buy Photoshop Elements, once, instead of subscribing to Photoshop, already have their eyes open? Either that, or they downloaded CS6 package and used a little tool that starts with "snr" ;. Open eyes, especially kids can be tough.
What I usually do is say I'm going to take your picture on Most of the time, I get them looking at me and their eyes open. PE is a good alternative to PS, in my opinion. I tried it a few years ago: I believe that PS is an overkill for most of us. Did just as you suggested for several years. Finally, I bit the bullet and went with Photoshop. Wished that I had done that much sooner. Buying every new edition is not really needed for most people. I am still with PS CS2, which is what - ten years old? I rarely ever use it. Of course, I understand that different people have different needs and all that.
If it has an additional Curves tool over the standard Elements I would be interested. It includes curves as well as focus stacking and a bunch more stuff - these are the two main things I use it for though. I ditched Adobe anything several years ago. To be fair, I gave them another chance and downloaded PSE today. Not a good welcome back at all. It took three tries to install after shutting down any vestiges of anti- virus, malware, spyware, adware prevention.
I rebooted, launched PSE successfully and played with it for an hour or so. Nothing about this version impressed me. So, back to PaintShop Pro So, is Photoshop Elements subscription-based just like the rest of Adobe's stuff? If so, I'm not buying. I don't think you being of east Asian descent will influence the software too much, it's your subjects you have to worry about. All processing done using Lightroom only, shot using a D However, there are situations when I have to use Photoshop for certain things. For those situations, I still have to rely on Photoshop.
For portrait editing on the other hand, my wife heavily relies on Photoshop. She uses special skin-correction techniques that are not available in Lightroom…. So I guess it all depends on what you are editing. Dan, most of what I have written about in this article applies to Aperture as well. Start off with Aperture and make further edits in Photoshop, if needed. One thing Aperture is lagging behind on, is lens correction through lens profiles. The good news is that you can use third party plugins or Camera RAW for that, but it is a major inconvenience.
Image Editing Plug-ins These plug-ins extend the built-in image editing capabilities of Aperture, adding specialized tools for noise reduction, selective adjustments, lens correction, and much more…. When I talked about lens profiles, I meant support for correcting for specific lenses, not cameras. This sort of correction is lens-specific. As far as I know, you cannot do the same with Aperture: Nasim, Thanks a lot for your prompt response as always… I understand what you are trying to say.
Then that puts me at a disadvantage for putting all of my efforts into using Apple Aperture. Is that your primary reason for not adopting Aperture for your post-processing? I used LR most of the time. I only use CS5 when and if I have to do major editing. If and when i want some effects on my photos like the actions on CS5 does, there are already a lot presets to choose from. Some of them are for free. Yes, I am exactly the same way — I take very few images to Photoshop and do most of my work in Lightroom.
With some plugins like Nik Software Viveza and Dfine being available for Lightroom, my need to use Photoshop decreases even more! As always, Nasim, thank you for your clear explanation. You mentioned workflow and the ease of going back and forth between Lightroom and Photoshop. Does the same hold true between Lightroom and Elements? Jim, yes, Elements is also as integrated as Photoshop with Lightroom. If you have both installed, you should have an option under Edit to open the image in Elements. Once you save the image in Elements, it will automatically import it into Lightroom!
Thanks for another fantastic article Nasim. Would you mind sharing some of your favourite plug-ins and when you use them? Jane, I know exactly what you mean. I have been using Photoshop since version 4 and trust me, I get intimidated by it every time Adobe releases a new version: I still get lost in many of the functions of Photoshop. As for plugins, I personally own the Nik Software Suite and Lola made me get Imagenomic Portraiture that she now uses to edit portraits.
I have tried many other plugins and these are the best ones, in my opinion. As for actions, Lola used to use some action sets before, but she stopped using them when she got more comfortable with Photoshop. Thanks for your timely article. I do have a question.
Is this somehow a light version of Lightroom? Will the organizational capabilities be that much better to justify the purchase for a amateur photographer such as myself. Chris, think of Photoshop Elements as a light version of Lightroom and a light version of Photoshop combined. In short, yes, you can use it to organize, edit, print and publish photographs. Here is a quick video overview of Photoshop Elements. You can download a 30 day trial of Elements, Lightroom and Photoshop.
I would start off with Elements and see how you like it. Then try Lightroom with Photoshop and decide which works for you. If you have plans to become a pro one day and you are serious about photography, then skip Elements and go directly to Lightroom and Photoshop. From pure photo organization perspective, Lightroom is more suitable for managing thousands of photographs.
For links to nearly sites with tips, tutorials and videos on Lightroom including this one try: I am an amateur photographer, and love taking landscape photos, and manipulating them. I cannot afford to pull that kind of money out of my savings for software, and will not go into debt for anything. So I will have to settle for a less in-depth version of the software. What do y0u feel is really necessary that I have for working on my photos? I think a much better article, especially for Mac users, would be about the other big religious war, namely Aperture vs.
Thank you for yet another brilliant comparison of two popular Adobe products! I find your reviews generally informative, detailed and unbiased. A rather informative resource and best of all, updated regularly. My only suggestion would be an addendum to expand on elements which is much more affordable than Photoshop CS5 and sometimes bundled in select laptop noticeably Sony purchases. I almost never use the Elements organiser, processing my workflow in LR3 and then using elements on the rare occasion I need to do something more with the photo or manipulate layers.
Kevin, I added a paragraph about Photoshop Elements. It is very annoying and frustrating when they do that! Lightroom recognized the Elements database and offered to import it which I did. Also Lightroom setup Elements as the external editor. I am getting faster and the presets and output options are nice. The lens profiles in DXO are much easier to use, updates include them and all of my Olympus glass is supported.
The wide angle lens seems to benefit the most, primes the least. Another way Adobe tries to get users to buy into Photoshop ;. Adobe adds more lens profiles with every release, so I am pretty sure they will catch up soon. As for Photoshop, I agree — it has a steep price tag: Hopefully its price will come down or they might offer good pricing this holiday season… it is a shame that they do not allow 16 bit panos in Elements! Great read Nasim and although I use both; I love your reasons to go different routes.
One question that challenges me all the time is export resolution when posting pics on facebook from both lightroom and photoshop. I understand the subtle different between dpi and pixels and know the min resolution can be as low as 72 pixels for photography pages, but for some odd reason; the pics look awful when I post them on facebook inconsistently. Jas, Facebook is known to reduce the image quality of photos during the resize process.
What I would recommend, is to extract images small enough so that Facebook does not have to resize them. Open up the image in Photoshop, resize to pixels, then sharpen it up, then do Save for Web and make sure that Color Profiles are not added and the image is converted to sRGB with no metadata Facebook will strip metadata anyway.
I will put your advice to action tomorrow and will def reach back to you with my finds. You just might have made my life a bit easier. You were so right and it worked! I took your advice and applied a bit of sharpening using Photoshop filter before exporting them to Save for Web. I wish Lightroom had something specific to Web export as well..
Nasim, where would you put Photoshop Elements in this mix in terms of learning curve and post- processing power? Hi there, great review, very informative. Elements is a bit closer to my price range, but my concern is that it is mostly a package with filters that can combine multiple photos rather than edit a single one well. Cameron, Elements has plenty of tools from Photoshop, so you can definitely edit images in it.
It is not as powerful as Photoshop, but good enough for most situations. Unless you are planning to do a lot of heavy editing, you might find Elements to be enough for your needs. What should I backup? Did you have a chance to test Nikons Capture NX2? I heard its control points was innovative to work with and it worked better with the NIkon NEF files. I am not sure about that as the codec is open to every software vendor, but i was just curious. Looking at LR it seems it is fairly close to iPhoto.
I am a fairly new photographer so is it useful for me to get these fancy programs. I am concerned with iPhoto and the long term storage of my images but do not know of a solution for that. Do you know if only iPhoto or LR can be exported only to an hard drive specific to save images and perhaps music? I am clueless when it comes to computer knowledge and am beginning to get a bit stressed out thinking of future issues with photo storage. Thanks for your knowledge and contrubution. You can check them in but cant check out. When you do that it will ask if you want to create a new library.
That time just ask it to reference an external library. Where the external library is a directory of photos in an external drive or even a different folder on the same computer. That way you have access to all your photos to be used with other programs plus copy at any time etc.. Its comparable to Photoshop but the documentation and help is strewn all over the internet. The concepts are the same but the menu items are different. If you are following a Photoshop example in GIMP you just have to know what the corresponding shortcuts are etc….
Thank you for demystifying the two products. I am a newbie to photography and hoping to be more than a novice at some point. I felt the same as some of your readers who do not think photos should be post-edited. After reading all the comments, I have a new perspective. I think I will start off with Lightroom and then maybe move to photoshop. Thanks again for sharing your expertise. I downloaded a trial and am very impressed. I am using Photoshop Elements right now and its a resource hog. You can download a trial from their website. Thank you for the comprehensive overview.
Any thoughts on Capture NX2 vs LR3 in terms of quality of the output, not the ease of use or keeping images organized. I enjoy your site and the volumes of information you provide — especially your impressions of various gear. And the range of developing options such as changing white balance and picture control as well as other in-camera settings is invaluable. And for my money, NX2 has the best sharpening engine unsharp mask available.
If you want to do in minutes what it might take hours to do in photoshop, and do it more seamlessly, NX2 has the right stuff. I played around with the trial version and was very impressed. Plus their workflow and image editing is top notch and simple. I found their sharpening to be very good. It somehow selects only the sharpest part of the images instead of sharpening the whole image and introducing noise.
Thats when i decided to get rid of Adobe. I loved the way you have simplified it and have presented it in a way that even newbies like me can understand. I also like the layout and fonts used in your site. Thanks for a great site that I can follow. A simple but HUGE thank you!! Photography goes beyond your camera and creativity goes beyond photography! Thank you soooo much for all these amazingly helpful articles!
I also bought Photoshop Elements mostly because it was a cheap way for me to do some basic editing. Thanks for writing your thoughts. With lightroom, I see it good for batch processing on images all in the same lighting, scene, exposure, etc. But not for editing a wedding, where every 5 minutes you are in different lighting.
Also, I see lightroom as only doing quick global adjustments. Photoshop seems much more like the darkroom that I first learned from. With photoshop I can work on each image quickly, with great shortcut keys, shortcut keys for actions, and work locally very easily with dodge and burn and adjustment layers. Excellent post, I have been looking to buy a photo editing software for my home purpose for the first time ever.
I own NEX5 and D so I need a software that helps me organize, edit, and print files including video. Can somebody tell me which one should I consider: PSE10 or LR4 in terms of image editing features including some minor layer based editing. The problem with LR4 is it doesnt support layered editing and the problem with PSE is that it doesnt support video editing. If LR4 doesnt support layers, then is there any way I can do similar editing without layers in LR so I can get same effect as in PSE10 is capable of giving with layers.
I used lr from version 1 now am on v4. My workflow is lr plus external plug-ins like pse8, nik silver eff pro2, photomatix. Main work is lr and anything I cannot do on it I lr sends a tiff to a plug-in and it is returned to lr when processed. Each plug-in will do what lr cannot do and once u get the hang of it, it becomes dead easy flowing from one software to an other.
Apple Apreture is very similar in its workflow. Thanks a ton Vic for sharing your experirence, I think this one is very good. Can you let me know how much did you spent on those plugins? I hope adding all those wont cost same as PS10 or even PS? Hello mate, glad you found my tuppence worth useful. Unfortunately you have to pay the full asking price some less some more than PS Nik usually have offers as well as the others. Photomatix is about Nik was the most expensive which is about euros about pounds but in my opinion and others nothing touches it for monochrome.
Best way before parting with money check all the software sellers for older versions. Hi Vic, it was not tuppence at all! Hi mate, I too do it as a hobby only. But like I said you can get cheaper back copies and just pay for updates if you want. PSE10 is the one to go for if you need to use layers LR of any version as you know does not support layers. Sorry if it was mentioned and missed it but one of the great advantage of Lightroom is the ability to edit images, and have multiple versions of the edits, without touching the original image and without creating copies of the original except when using external editors.
It also adds the ability to recreate any output image from the edit settings saved in the LR database. Edits can be modified at any point in time without the need to start again from the original. But for me, things always became messy. Lightroom makes thing much more clean and gives you a neat interface with searchable tags, flags, metadata, stacks, etc. It was not tuppence at all!
Finally, an issue that I am passionate about. I have looked for information about Adobe Photoshop vs Lightroom for the last several hours. Your site is greatly appreciated. I have been using Bridge, camera raw and PS for my workflow. Would it be possible to proivide tutorials on the database aspects of Lightroom? Workflow with some examples. I have a light room but I like PP in Photoshop. I would like to explore database features of Lightroom but have not found any good article yet. Greatly appreciate your tips. Also books by Scott Kelby you might want to get and many forums on the subject too.
Hope you find this useful. Forgot to mention you can also use your folder where you keep all your original images to import it as a Catalogue into LR. Your originals will remain in that folder untouched and the catalogue in LR becomes a mirror image of that folder and you can process them to you hearts content. If you then want to share the processed versions of your images you export them as Tiffs of Jpegs. Vic, Thanks for your response and information for tutorials.
I will check them out and tryout LR database features. BP, Pleasure mate, you might want to register with Adobe so you can get on the forums and be able to get in touch with other LR user who are pretty hot on this subject. You will be able to get an Adobe newsletter if you want too. Vic, Thanks for these additinal tips. Last few days I have been exploring those features, so far so good.
Im still newbie and just into photography just for fun.. If not what camera that can do it without being bulky such as SLR. I dont plan to buy lenses yet to make bokeh photo.. I read about sony nex5n and other brands as well which is not too big but I wonder if that type can make bokeh without additional lense? Or maybe its easier if I buy phoyoshop editing software to make it blur in the background since I am just a newbie..
You can buy these in kits or body only and if you buy kits they can have one or two lenses. Bokeh depends on which lens and aperture you use. Software can diffuse the background but it can be a lot of work if your subject is complicated and need to spend time cutting it out. But, if you want to practice, there are much cheaper Apps some free some for as little as 65p and software like Gimp which can be downloaded free.
Photo mags are great resources for buying cameras and learning photography and subscriptions are cheaper than buying from shops. Your welcome, enjoy your photography and one day you will be dishing our your experiences. Everything searched for and found is for Apple Computers.
If however I have missed seeing these instructions somewhere and or if they actually exist could you possibly guide me to where they are. A book I could buy would be really nice. All give great advice and tutorials from their websites. Also check out Victoria Brampton she has written books about the subject too. Thank you for this. I have been using Photoshop and I have learned how to use it and am really happy with what I can do with it. My images are edited a lot, and I did wonder about Lightroom.
My husband is a programmer and if it is one thing he has taught me, is how to organise my files, and to make sure he would approve I showed him today and I think he was impressed, very impressed, still a couple of things I need to do, but I like my system and it works well for me. Thank you for this comprehensive description. I am just getting started in photography and was wondering what I should purchase. I love photography and have been taking photos for many years. I used to hate the idea of using any post-processing software because I believe any one can take a photo of something boring and make it look interesting using post-processing.
But, i also believe it would help to enhance my photos in a positive way. I am just starting out in this maze of post-processing softwares. Try to take a class, are there tutorials somewhere, youtubes perhaps? Any feedback would be nice, thank you very much for your time! Post processing is not important if you like your images processed by your camera, i. Jpegs, although these can be enhanced further if you want. Jpegs are like Reversal film Slides and even in films you could not process them further like you do in digital form again I am referring to Jpegs.
Raw on the other hand is the image you take which is not processed in your camera and is like the Negative film which has to be developed and printed. In film if your exposure was not perfect you could get a better print if you used the correct type of printing paper usually hard or soft grade being the most common. So post processing is not only necessary but also very important in Raw using a Raw converter software like you get with Adobe Elements.
Also remember we all see similarly but not identically so our taste is individual and therefore what might be great for some, others will find an image boring or not bad etc etc. I personally find post processing not just important but very absorbing and worthwhile and enjoyable. Now see my post 83 which will tell you where you can find tutorials but first a good place to start is the Adobe website and forums.
I started off using Lightroom 3 because it was cheaper. After buying LR, I tried Photoshop trials a few times over the course of a year, but found it had such a steep learning curve that it made more sense to stay with Lightroom. So I bought CS5, took one 4-hour editing workshop and spent tens of hours watching tutorials on how to do more advanced editing using layers and masks Thanks, Lynda.
I find this very similar to Lightroom. LR is a good way to catalog images, yes, but after developing my own CS5 workflow, that cataloging was really unnecessary for me. Besides, I found the LR catalog to be VERY large and cumbersome and a bit tricky, especially if one moves files or gets a new hard drive.
Then you have to manually tell LR where to find the new file s — a pain in the butt. In my CS5 workflow, I always save my final, client-ready files in three formats: I like how you say photoshop is destructive and not save the historical changes, yes it does destroy and as long as you save your files as a photoshop document, you can retain everything in the history, I use Photoshop on a professional level and not to just convert Raw to Jpeg like what Lightroom is great for.
Photoshop is for serious top end users who are in the business for image manipulation and working with CMYK output for printing, you really do not want to go through one by one with images from a wedding with Photoshop, even though you can set up automation and bulk processes, Lightroom will do these simple tasks a lot eaiser… The differences are Lightroom is a consumer grade program and Photoshop is an industrial grade program, that is the difference in a nut shell. Lightroom can take a few months to learn everything, Photoshop on the other hand if you want to learn the simple basics could take several months of practice and to learn to use it properly most will go to college for a few years and study the program.
If you just got a digital camera and want the image to glow with color, make black and whites look sharp, crop and resize, to learn simple photo editing tricks, start with Lightroom. If you want to do some corrections like cloning and background removal and working with multiple layers and overlays and way more so cool tricks, start with a free open source program, most people use GIMP, I like PAINT. I just got LR, and I like some of the features that I have tried. I have a few questions in LR can you add text to a photo? Also can you do basic editing like making all of the photo black and white, then change one part of the photo to color?
The only text you can add on an image in LR is your copywrite name, you have to go to CS or PSE externally to add text but this is very simple to do. As for colour on mono I take it you mean Colour Popping. My preference is to go externally to Nik foto effect Pro if you have this software , as in this way you can first do the mono processing far better in my humble opinion. Thanks for summarising the capabilities of LR. I have been using a very old version of PS for years which I find a struggle to use, even though all I usually want to do with photos is crop, straighten, tweak colour casts and boost contrast.
For instance, in Picasa you can only star photos not grade them on a scale, for instance, or sift them into customisable categories. Thank you for explaining the differences. It looks as if I shall be forced to buy Lightroom or upgrade to CS5. I have just bought Nikon and it produces Raw files which cannot be opened with my CS4.
They can be converted with another software, but I want to open them directly into an editing program. Thank you so much for a concise and easy to understand explanation of tjese two programs. I will stick with Photoshop and Bridge. Thank you for explaining the pros and cons of both suites so simply. I now know better.
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I have a PS catalogue of 55, plus images and had been expecting to have to recreate in another software suite. Thank goodness I can continue as is — phew! Thanks for sharing your knowledge, I used to use photoshop but Lightroom is much more better for big editing, like photos for examples. I would like to provide my resources for Lightroom presets very usefull when you need to manipulate your images without photoshop. Thank you very much for your help. I am closing fast of 70 years of age and might well be finding my level of technical development is slowly diminishing ;- Kind regards Roger.
They will appear as is including the processing work you made on them and any side cars to all your raw images will be included. It is non destructive. If you are still worried you could copy all in another partition or on an external hard drive as an archive, which is what I do, I have several backups of all the images and folders that I have accumulated over time.
Also as for your age I will hit 69 in October this year and I am no expert by any stretch of the imagination. I find LR very intuitive and if I get stuck there are many tutorials out there not just from Adobe but the web is littered with them. The best way to find out for yourself is to download a trial for free and see how you get on.
I have downloaded the suite and quickly became befuddled…… I shall keep at it for a while.. Thank you so much! The best explanation ever and big help with making my decision. I have used Photoshop 7. Time to make the change. Photoshop does have historical data. If capturing photos with a camera is like sculpting a statue or writing a poem……. Both are equally important…….
Being able to identify and capture a picture as well as sitting in front of a PC for hours together to fine-tune what has been captured……after-all photography is an art and every art requires skill as well as dedicated hardwork……. Can you shed light on your experience. Hi Daniel, I still use Element 8 as LR does not stitch panoramas or do layers and have had this software as a stand alone and have had no problem opening images in it. It is best to buy Elements as a plug-in rather than a stand alone as it integrates better if you use LR on its own.
There are no whizz-bang tools for LR just software that can work seamlessly with it. In the short term I would like to know how to stop or control either one from taking over at the mere mention of a photo. I want to be in control of the software, not the other way around as it is at the moment.
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